Militaria

[siben]

I am looking for any steyr rifle, Danish and Norwegian Krags. Belgian/Yugoslav Mausers are my main interest for the moment

I got a few of those. I will see what i can do when i have time. what type of pictures are you looking for?

Yesterday i took out my French Beauty. A French September 1939 made MAS36.

Here are some pictures of it.

And a Small video of it also.

http://youtu.be/oLZi50KC5Uk

 

[hannibaldinski]

beautiful piece! Like it how the little plastic thingy on the right jiggles when you shoot. TW inspiration?

 

[Agunter999]

I got a few of those. I will see what i can do when i have time. what type of pictures are you looking for?

Yesterday i took out my French Beauty. A French September 1939 made MAS36.

Here are some pictures of it.




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And a Small video of it also.

http://youtu.be/oLZi50KC5Uk

THAT IS EXACTLY WAHT I NEED, yeh that sort of thing would be perfect for my website, how shall I accredit the pictures?

 

[Simon]

This old guns are much cooler than modern M4's

 

[Colonel__Klink]

This old guns are much cooler than modern M4's

I"m not sure about that....



Course that's civilian modified so it doesn't really count a militaria I guess lol. The only thing that actually dissapoints me is that the stock is still plastic. *shrug* but Turnbull is known for metal finishes not wood. Reminds me, I've been meaning to make a wafer thin AR-15 receiver so I can bed it in a solid 1 piece stock.

On militaria I think if I had the money I'd buy an Arisaka Type 38....

 

[siben]

Wood and metal is where it is at, most modern weapons i do not like.
To tell you the truth, the MAS 36 was the most comfortable rifle i ever shot. also my shots landed really nicely with it. Very easy to use.

 

[Colonel__Klink]

Wood and metal is where it is at, most modern weapons i do not like.
To tell you the truth, the MAS 36 was the most comfortable rifle i ever shot. also my shots landed really nicely with it. Very easy to use.

the MAS 36 looks like a very comfortable military rifle. Many of the ones of the day had stocks that were seemingly designed for mutants. I never want to shoot another factory standard Mosin Nagant again lol. That MAS 36 large receiver was a clever thought because it also allows for a two piece stock, important especially for a European nation that honestly will have limited access to good wood(they would have to import it if they needed large pieces)

I'm trying to figure out how the stock is attached. If they used a large bolt screwed in from under the buttstock I think the hole necessary for that combined with the angle of the grip might just make too little wood for a strong stock. Too bad I don't have one to check out lol.

Btw I love a lot of modern firearms (including the AR-15 self loading rifle.) My problem is that morons put **** they don't need on these weapons ruining their basic elegance.

 

[siben]

@Colonel__Klink, Why do you think France has not much decent wood, they have lots of forests with pines, oaks, etc...

The stock slides on from the bottom and the trigger guard holds it in place with a screw from the bottom then.

The system wit ha big screw through the butstock is the way it is on a Lee Enfield.

Here is another video i made yesterday evening. Guess the rifle for a change. It went okayish the shooting but sometimes i had to give it quite a push to close, but that is probably due to a clip with a bit to narrow tolerance on the groove that stops the bullet from falling out of the clip.
The bullets where tumbling though, a bit unfortunate. maybe the barrel is to short, or the privi bullets didn't have enough contact surface to the barrel to stabilize them. its possible since i heard that the privi bullets are a bit undersized. Still, i hit the black on the target every time at about 40 meters.

 

[Pjosip]

Nice vid.
Small suggestion tho, could you just add a photo of the target at the end of next ones?
I think that would make it look really cool.

 

[LazMan12]

It's a Carcano carbine

 

[siben]

Thanks.

I did not take a picture of it this time but i will try to remember next time.

The carcano carbine is a different rifle, you need to add a third word to make it more correct.

 

[LazMan12]

OK
Carcano M91 Cavalry Carbine- with the folding bayonette it's hard to be mistaken.
Good shooting, I wish I had one of them myself xD
PS: Do you happen to have some Mannlicher rifle in your collection?

 

[siben]

OK
Carcano M91 Cavalry Carbine- with the folding bayonette it's hard to be mistaken.
Good shooting, I wish I had one of them myself xD
PS: Do you happen to have some Mannlicher rifle in your collection?

Yes, already cleaned and packed my Steyr-manlicher M1895/30 Shutzen.

 

[Agunter999]

Ooo a 95/30 nice!

 

[Colonel__Klink]

@Colonel__Klink, Why do you think France has not much decent wood, they have lots of forests with pines, oaks, etc...

Pine is wholly insufficient for a rifle stock. It is WAY too soft and will distort, warp, crack and split under the pressures of the field and firing. Oak is better but its work qualities are grossly inferior. Both woods like to splinter and flake ESPECIALLY pine unlike the principle wood used for stockmaking, walnut.

France doesn't have really any of its ancient forests left. So they have some modern oak and pine but they don't have the key wood. Walnut. They don't have much of any type of walnut, so a single piece stock is not ideal because pieces large enough for a stock are harder to find. Because of this France, Britain and Japan opted for two piece stocks on their service arm.

 

[siben]

Thanks for the clarification, wood is something i know absolutely nothing about.

 

[Colonel__Klink]

Thanks for the clarification, wood is something i know absolutely nothing about.

Sure, and thanks for the info on how the stock is secured on that rifle. One thing to keep in mind is that at the turn of the century there were no plastic bedding compounds for rifles so quality stock material was even more important than now. The right working qualities are what is really needed because if the wood likes to splinter as you cut then you'll take WAY too much off and have a poorly fitted rifle.

Finding good stock material gets more and more expensive as time goes on. Its actually depressing realizing that probably within a century only the super rich could afford a walnut weapon... If I ever hit it big on the lottery I might consider buying land and litterally planting loads of walnut like the common Californian Claro Walnut. Right now there are "walnut reserves" in India but all the stock makers I know of say that you cannot trust the Indian businessmen on actually giving you what you were advertised.

 

[siben]

How about willow trees, could they be used? Belgium has lots of those. They are traditionally found on the edges of all fields. To keep the ground dry.

 

[Colonel__Klink]

How about willow trees, could they be used? Belgium has lots of those. They are traditionally found on the edges of all fields. To keep the ground dry.

Willow is a softer "hardwood." Its not ideal and if you designed a weapon from the ground up for that wood you'd need a far larger load bearing area between the stock and the rifle(the surfaces that handle recoil) meaning that the stock will be thicker and heavier than normal. The ideal balance is between weight and hardness of wood to keep weight low. Sometimes with rifles where there are small recoil lugs they insert a bolt into the stock to enhance the strength of the material in the contact area. This might be a method to make willow acceptable, I'm not sure. I also haven't worked with willow so I'm not sure how good the work qualities are. Since its a softer hardwood it may be too "stringy" meaning its fibers like to pull out and rip out instead of cut.

Reminds me, some rather stubborn gunsmiths have made stocks out of mesquite. In terms of strength ect its a good choice, the problem is that those trees like to suck up sand from the soil and as such they really wear on tools. SHARP tools are a necessary part of making a good stock. If you cannot shave with your chisels and gouges your in the wrong lol.

 

[LazMan12]

I've read that the germans used laminated wood stocks on most production Kar98k rifles and used different types of available wood material. Also, do you think that chery tree wood is appropriate, as I think it's quite strong- some improvised cannons were carved from big old chery trees and used in a national uprising in Bulgaria, but I'm not sure if it's good for fine stocks...