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TheTurk_007
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I'd also love to see resistance forces. That would be awesome.
CanadianSquirrel
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Who, in this community WOULDN'T LIKE Seeing Frenchie Army getting ... Let's say raped in numbers and in armament.
However, i'd like to fight in an Hotchkiss, just to see how bad it was :3
However, i'd like to fight in an Hotchkiss, just to see how bad it was :3
VonMudra
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Uhhhh, time to put historian hat on.
French tanks not only outnumbered German tanks alone (not counting British tank numbers, plus Belgian TDs), but also were almost all equal or superior to the most powerful German tank designs of the time. Their issue was deployment, not numbers or tech. The majority of the French tanks could shred right through the German tanks, and deflect the German shells quite easily. The more famous French tanks, the Somua and Char 1Bis, were basically the Panther and Tiger, respectively, of their day. Add in the British Matilda 2 (another Tiger of it's day), plus French AT guns in the form of the 25mm and 47mm AT, and 75mm field gun, and you'll see Germans in TW taking similar casualties to what they took in 1940- some German panzer divisions in 1940 ran up 300% casualty rates by the end of the campaign. By comparison, of the 2500 or so German tanks in the invasion of France, some 550 were Panzer 1, nearly 1000 were Panzer 2, another 600 or so were Panzer III and IV (with 37mm gun and low velocity infantry support 75mm respectively), and the rest were Pz35t and 38t with 37mm guns. None of the tanks had armour thicker than 30mm in the front, easily penetrated by the French 47mms. The 25mm could still reliable destroy Panzer 1 and 2's at any range, and the sides and rears of the other German tanks were equally vulnerable to the 25mm.
Basically, expect to be piddling around in a wimpy Panzer 1/2, getting the **** blown out of you by nearly every allied tank around, asking yourself "HOW THE HELL DID THE GERMANS DO IT IN 1940?!"
And the answer is, a whole shitload of luck combined with poor generalship from the Allied High Command. At times they were close to pinching off and pocketing the entire German spearhead, only to chicken out at the last second....
French tanks not only outnumbered German tanks alone (not counting British tank numbers, plus Belgian TDs), but also were almost all equal or superior to the most powerful German tank designs of the time. Their issue was deployment, not numbers or tech. The majority of the French tanks could shred right through the German tanks, and deflect the German shells quite easily. The more famous French tanks, the Somua and Char 1Bis, were basically the Panther and Tiger, respectively, of their day. Add in the British Matilda 2 (another Tiger of it's day), plus French AT guns in the form of the 25mm and 47mm AT, and 75mm field gun, and you'll see Germans in TW taking similar casualties to what they took in 1940- some German panzer divisions in 1940 ran up 300% casualty rates by the end of the campaign. By comparison, of the 2500 or so German tanks in the invasion of France, some 550 were Panzer 1, nearly 1000 were Panzer 2, another 600 or so were Panzer III and IV (with 37mm gun and low velocity infantry support 75mm respectively), and the rest were Pz35t and 38t with 37mm guns. None of the tanks had armour thicker than 30mm in the front, easily penetrated by the French 47mms. The 25mm could still reliable destroy Panzer 1 and 2's at any range, and the sides and rears of the other German tanks were equally vulnerable to the 25mm.
Basically, expect to be piddling around in a wimpy Panzer 1/2, getting the **** blown out of you by nearly every allied tank around, asking yourself "HOW THE HELL DID THE GERMANS DO IT IN 1940?!"
And the answer is, a whole shitload of luck combined with poor generalship from the Allied High Command. At times they were close to pinching off and pocketing the entire German spearhead, only to chicken out at the last second....
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CanadianSquirrel
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Good lord! Thanks Captain, makin' things clear since 2009 lol 
TheTurk_007
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What about the 1944 Warsaw Uprising?
FH2 had a kick-ass custom map about it, and I am definately gonna bring this back up if we get Eastern Front in TW sometime...
FH2 had a kick-ass custom map about it, and I am definately gonna bring this back up if we get Eastern Front in TW sometime...
The eastern front isn't a bad idea. Both Normandy and the Eastern Front are popular theatres, in Normandy we're following the British so we aren't just retelling the same story - what could we do on the Eastern Front to be different?
Tequilla Sunrise Inc.
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What about unconventional stuff? Balkan theater - 1941: capturing Balkan countries by German forces, then Guerrila war in Yugoslavia and the operation Rosselsprung.
Or Slovak National Uprising and the Liberation of Slovakia...there were very tough and bloody battles because of the mountainy and woody terrain.
But i like the idea of you-mentioned Italy.
Or Slovak National Uprising and the Liberation of Slovakia...there were very tough and bloody battles because of the mountainy and woody terrain.
But i like the idea of you-mentioned Italy.
Can't say I know much about the two areas you mentioned but there are plenty of areas which have largely been forgotten.
e.g Fall of France, Battle for Norway, Singapore/Burma and Second Sino-Japanese War (Japan v. China).
e.g Fall of France, Battle for Norway, Singapore/Burma and Second Sino-Japanese War (Japan v. China).
VonMudra
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Whilst those are all interesting, one huge problem is doing voices for the oddball nations Plus we'd rather do the bigger stuff first then get to the small things. Build the base, then do the fun stuff. Anyways, for now, all we're doing is Normandy, and currently only British/Commonwealth sector.
Plus we'd rather do the bigger stuff first then get to the small things. Build the base, then do the fun stuff. Anyways, for now, all we're doing is Normandy, and currently only British/Commonwealth sector.- Status